you said -- i am more worried about you that you have to think about these things all the time i realize the obvious importance of all this but please try not to make yourself crazy i reply -- thank you for your concern. another case of irony, too... several email threads come to a crossroads with each other over ignorance... hehehe in any event, here is why it won't drive me crazy: Ignorant and selfish -- that is what I am. All this thinking is really more than just thinking. It has to do with both my Earthly and Heavenly goals. So, it isn't that it will drive me crazy. It's that I literally don't have anything "better" to do than to work toward my goals. Selfish & Ignorant? Yes. My Earthly goal is to achieve a habitable climate for our children's children's children. Originally, I thought the goal to be "a given." Easy. A done deal. However, the more I learn; the more I learn that the goal is a lofty one. My initial Heavenly goal is to make it through the moral justification. Just as there is economic justification, there is moral justification. I was given this life to work through my ignorance. Therefore, I doubt that ignorance will make a good excuse at my judgement time. "You've been given dozens of years to do your homework to get into Heaven. Now, what is your excuse? Your dog ate it?" In fact, it is almost funny... how ironic that would be -- you're given this life to gain enlightenment. what kind of excuse can ignorance be, then? Sorry, God... the reason I'm not enlightened is because I'm too ignorant. No DA! By definition, it will be a failing grade on the final exam. I mean I would be giving myself a failing grade. For me to plead ignorance, will be for me to plead having failed (in the quest for enlightenment.) I fear many humans do not understand... nor do they care to understand this part. The ignorant making an informed choice to remain ignorant. This problem particularly worries me about many Christians. Soooo many do not understand that ignorance is not a sin (at least that I know of.) Thus, to be forgiven of your sins does not forgive you for being ignorant. Thus... ya see... my attempts to enlighten others... results in as much (or more) enlightenment for this ignorant soul. Therefore, the selfish goal of helping to enlighten others (scribin' and buglin' the messages) appears to help me achieve both my Earthly and Heavenly goals. 1) increases the chances we can keep human reproduction sustained to meet my goal... before the environmental/economic justification 2) increases the chances I will work far enough through my ignorance to meet my goal... before my personal justification hmmm... a better way to end those sentences might be to say... before the justification is over ... for I am sensing through my veil of ignorance... that both justifications have already started to occur. [by the way... besides my "personal goals"... what I've said is not opinion. it is based on logic. and, what I've said are my goals... are really the goals of our team. I talked in first person... since many of the words used tend to evoke inappropriate emotions in ignorant readers.]